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'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:51 pm
by Warren
I used 'Rotes Phänomen' when I was in Europe this year, it has an amazing colour. The pollen looks black and I really hope I get some seed from its cross next month.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.36811

Warren

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:13 pm
by roseseek
It looks like a double form of Basye's Purple on a MUCH nicer plant, Warren. Basye's Purple has purple or "red" throughout, also. And, like this one, its pollen is so dark purple, it appears black. I hope Rotes Phanomen does a better job breeding then Basye's Purple has. All seedlings I raised from its pollen were white, very angular with terrible architecture and once flowering.

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:13 am
by Warren
You cant really appreciate the colour unless you see it with the naked eye, its colour is awesome. When I first saw it in Belgium I went running back to the office asking what it was. I hope something comes of the pollinations.

Warren

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:50 am
by jbergeson
This had me researching Plant Entry Quarantine requirements...

Looks like a rugosa.

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:48 pm
by Rob Byrnes
Got to have....

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:54 pm
by SalixGoclon
Very nice... I wants it.

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:56 pm
by jriekstins
Those deep purple buds are very beautiful. Voluptuous even. And I appreciate what you mean when you say one should see it in person, purple is even harder to capture on film than reds.

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:38 pm
by pierre
More than ten years ago I began playing this game!

Rotes Phänomen is easy to redo or supersede: just cross either way Basye's P with a darker double rugosa.

Only difficult to supersede problem I found is the strong linkage of unwanted foliolosa features and purple.
Persisting it will be broken...

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:09 am
by Rob Byrnes
Pierre,

Have you succeeded in getting similar results?

Rob

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:36 am
by jbergeson
Pierre,

I don't have much experience with foliolosa, but I find it attractive, so I'm curious what you find to be the unwanted features.

Joe

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:46 pm
by pierre
Yes Bob I did get dozens of similar results. Foliolosa is a color changer for rugosa and hybrids are fully fertile.

However Joe, f has a tendency to give taller erect divergent plants that appear somewhat leggy as foliage and petals are not very longlived.
The more purplish the more f looking. Even with bracteata addition. So much I went away from F.after using it as a fertility bridge between b & rugosa.

Looking at archives you will find I warned years ago.

These difficulties one will overcome with a different strategy I am looking for.

Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:22 pm
by Beau319
Anywhere you can buy this in the U.S.?