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Odd little seedling

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:45 pm
by jbergeson
This little guy is half blossoms.

It’s mother is a red grocery store mini, and the pollen came from Cherry Frost. Unfortunately it seems sterile both ways and hasn’t built itself up much compared to its fellow second year seedlings. Would have been cool to see a mature plant like this smothered in blossoms. We will see if it can build itself up over the next few years.

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:46 pm
by roseseek
You need to get it into a more suitable environment/climate where it won't lose any growth to cold and can be allowed to just GROW.

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:38 pm
by macabreroses
Yes get that interesting seedling in a little less hostile environment to give it a better chance at developing! Lovely so far!

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:45 am
by jbergeson
It's been looking like that for a very long time, when I compare to other roses of mine whose blossoms each last one or two days. I would assume that the grocery store mini was bred to have long-lasting blooms. I will dig it this fall and ship it off to somebody.

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:15 pm
by roseseek
Joe, if you'd like to send it here, I'll happily push it, prevent it from flowering so it produces wood instead and share it whomever wishes it.

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:39 pm
by macabreroses
I’d be really interested in getting a cutting :0

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:31 am
by philip_la
Cool, Joe. Never had one do anything but the very opposite!

Dumb question, but as I don't dabble in such... Would grafting that to an appropriate root stock change its demeanor?

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:37 am
by roseseek
"Dumb question, but as I don't dabble in such... Would grafting that to an appropriate root stock change its demeanor?"
Not dumb at all, Philip. It may, if the reason it does what it does is because it doesn't generate sufficient roots of its own. Adding more vigor to the roots may well alter what it does. Or, it could be it's just one of "those", which prefer to flower at the expense of growing and requires being continually disbudded until it generates a decent plant. Grey Pearl and my Annie Laurie McDowell are that kind. Left to their own devices, Grey Pearl will flower itself literally to death. Annie Laurie McDowell will sit as a small plant and flower, and flower and flower until it is usually yanked out because it didn't develop into the desired twenty foot climber.

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:43 pm
by macabreroses
Any updates on this plant? I think about it quite often LOL

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:52 pm
by mntlover
You aren't the only one.
Also, Kim, thanks for mentioning the disbudding. I have a seedling that is really slow in filling out, but has been blooming too frequently this year. Maybe I'll try a bunch of disbudding and see what some time does for it.
DUane

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:07 pm
by Larry Davis
Here's a thought that might pique Karl's interest. Dwarfing of apples, pears and the like depends on rootstock, or interstock grafting. Is there any evidence in he rose literature for such things? I only know the examples of minatures grafted onto standards where you get a small bush on top of a long thick stem. In that case there doesn't seem to be much effect on growth of the mini. It just stands higher in the air. I suppose it depends on where the dwarfing substance is made and acting. For apples the root definitely sends growth hormones to the foliage-producing parts. A dwarfing interstock can block the effect of a naturally big rootstock, on a naturally big scion, giving an intermediate sized, more dwarfed top.

We hear of different roots being preferred on different soil types or climates. But are there any that will serve to dwarf a big bush, or undwarf a little one?

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:38 am
by jbergeson
I believe I labeled this little guy to be dug, with the intention of sending it to Kim for growth and propagation, as he mentioned above.

So it is probably in a pile of roses somewhere in my bare root building. Kim, would it be best to send it now or should I wait until March or April?

Re: Odd little seedling

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:03 am
by roseseek
Hi Joe, we're back down into our "normal"temps now of low to mid seventies during daylight and the forties at night. The weather should still be good in spring, but at least if we will receive rains, earlier would get some of them while later likely won't. Now it's cooler, I need to send Jonathan a species cross he wants. Thanks!