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'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 57991Post Warren
Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:51 pm

I used 'Rotes Phänomen' when I was in Europe this year, it has an amazing colour. The pollen looks black and I really hope I get some seed from its cross next month.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.36811

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 57992Post roseseek
Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:13 pm

It looks like a double form of Basye's Purple on a MUCH nicer plant, Warren. Basye's Purple has purple or "red" throughout, also. And, like this one, its pollen is so dark purple, it appears black. I hope Rotes Phanomen does a better job breeding then Basye's Purple has. All seedlings I raised from its pollen were white, very angular with terrible architecture and once flowering.
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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 57993Post Warren
Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:13 am

You cant really appreciate the colour unless you see it with the naked eye, its colour is awesome. When I first saw it in Belgium I went running back to the office asking what it was. I hope something comes of the pollinations.

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 57994Post jbergeson
Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:50 am

This had me researching Plant Entry Quarantine requirements...

Looks like a rugosa.


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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 57997Post SalixGoclon
Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:54 pm

Very nice... I wants it.

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 57998Post jriekstins
Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:56 pm

Those deep purple buds are very beautiful. Voluptuous even. And I appreciate what you mean when you say one should see it in person, purple is even harder to capture on film than reds.
]Jackie, SoCal., zone 9b,coastal foothills

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 58000Post pierre
Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:38 pm

More than ten years ago I began playing this game!

Rotes Phänomen is easy to redo or supersede: just cross either way Basye's P with a darker double rugosa.

Only difficult to supersede problem I found is the strong linkage of unwanted foliolosa features and purple.
Persisting it will be broken...

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 58007Post Rob Byrnes
Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:09 am

Pierre,

Have you succeeded in getting similar results?

Rob

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 58008Post jbergeson
Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:36 am

Pierre,

I don't have much experience with foliolosa, but I find it attractive, so I'm curious what you find to be the unwanted features.

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 58015Post pierre
Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:46 pm

Yes Bob I did get dozens of similar results. Foliolosa is a color changer for rugosa and hybrids are fully fertile.

However Joe, f has a tendency to give taller erect divergent plants that appear somewhat leggy as foliage and petals are not very longlived.
The more purplish the more f looking. Even with bracteata addition. So much I went away from F.after using it as a fertility bridge between b & rugosa.

Looking at archives you will find I warned years ago.

These difficulties one will overcome with a different strategy I am looking for.

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Re: 'Rotes Phänomen'

Post: # 70344Post Beau319
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:22 pm

Anywhere you can buy this in the U.S.?

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