First germination of the winter

[Rob Byrnes]

Here is another interesting cross that is germinating now:

Gaye Hammond x Frontenac.

Gaye Hammond is a yellow hardy to zone 4a and Frontenac is hardy to at least zone 3b. There are genes for yellow on both sides so the plan was to obtain a disease resistant yellow that blooms frequently and is hardy to zone 3.

More exciting stuff...

[mntlover]

Rob: I had never heard of Gaye Hammond so I looked it up; sounds like good possibilities!
Good luck with the cross.
Duane

[Rob Byrnes]

Thanks Duane. I really like it and hope to get some good things out of it.

[david zlesak]

Hi Rob!! I'm glad you like and are using 'Gaye Hammond'. That sounds like a wonderful cross. I love its vigor. I knew it was special as a first year seedling and took a number of cuttings of it while it was on the plant stand the winter it germinated before planting it out. It's glossy leaves and vigor really stood out. It has had really good black spot and powdery mildew resistance here for me, but average cercospora tolerance.

[jbergeson]

Nice cross, Rob! I'm liking Gaye Hammond, too. OP seedlings show good bloom power. This winter should be a good test of hardiness.

On the topic of first germinations, I have my first germination of a cross...the embryo I posted in "I think I'm killing my seeds" thread germinated. It is All the Rage x Campfire, which is kind of exciting and up the alley of a lot of the breeders on this forum.

[mnemko]

Rob, thanks. Reviewing the protocols reminded me of my core characteristic--obsession with time-effectiveness and so, I've decided to let the damn Pinkerbelle seeds just sit in their potting-soil, sunny home, and, if perhaps because of their unusually thick pericarp, they decide to emerge a month or two later than the rest of this year's crop, great. If not, let the good-for-nothings rot. I get my breeding pleasure from the meditative act of gathering pollen and pollinating, of seeing the miracle of seeds emerging, and then the excitement (odd that this should be exciting in a world where most people get excited about sex or video games) of seeing that first bloom for each of hundreds of seedlings. I guess I'm old.

Thank you, Rob.

[jbergeson]

mnemko, I think you summed up why we all do this!

[srpshoy]

1. My first seedlings have sprouted - unfortunately we have puppies who stole the baggie the hips were stored in. Will wait and see if the seedlings bloom and remind me of something I collected.
2. Of interest to me is an OP seedling from David Austin's Buttercup. Hopefully yellow!
3. On another note, at work I have planted over 1000 peach seeds - I am employed part-time at an ARS (Agricultural Research Station) facility experimenting with peach and pecan trees. We stratify them in straight perlite.
Stephen

[mntlover]

I will be interested to hear what turns up from the Buttercup seedling. I have a bud on Golden Celebration seedling and one on a Rugelda seedling. Hopefully more to come on the other seedlings surrounding them. Hopefully we both end up with some yellow.
Duane

Your work with pecan and peach trees sounds interesting: reminds me of driving to my Aunt's place in Florida, with all the nut trees around.

[Rob Byrnes]

Hi Rob!! I'm glad you like and are using 'Gaye Hammond'. That sounds like a wonderful cross. I love its vigor. I knew it was special as a first year seedling and took a number of cuttings of it while it was on the plant stand the winter it germinated before planting it out. It's glossy leaves and vigor really stood out. It has had really good black spot and powdery mildew resistance here for me, but average cercospora tolerance.

Hi David. Yes, I'm enjoying Gaye Hammond and cant' wait to see what results I'll be getting from seedlings this winter. I'm also really enjoying using your Petit Pink and Oso Happy Smoothie as parents. Last season I got a really nice yellow using Petit Pink as the mother and 13-1 as the yellow pollen parent

Just today I've got germination from seeds Oso Happy Smoothie x Ann Endt. I'm very excited about the possibilities from this cross.

I also ordered Oso Easy Pleasy for spring deliver and I'm already planning my crosses for that one.

Best regards!

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.66172&tab=1 Smoothie
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.p ... 7637&tab=1 Ann Endt
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.81569.1 Pleasy

[Rob Byrnes]

Nice cross, Rob! I'm liking Gaye Hammond, too. OP seedlings show good bloom power. This winter should be a good test of hardiness.

On the topic of first germinations, I have my first germination of a cross...the embryo I posted in "I think I'm killing my seeds" thread germinated. It is All the Rage x Campfire, which is kind of exciting and up the alley of a lot of the breeders on this forum.

Great cross. I hope you get some great color. Hopefully good hardiness as well.

[mnemko]

Update on Pinkerbelle. Perhaps because of its thick pericarp (Did I leave it on the bush until fully orange--perhaps thus too long), while it had zero germination at the time the others were germinating, now, a few weeks later, I'm getting a few seedlings, so perhaps this exciting HT isn't useless as a female after all. Of course, proof is in the seedling quality.

Another question: I'm in a sunnier part of the San Francisco Bay Area and can plant my seeds outdoors. My seedlings (roughly 250) have just come up: 1/4 to 1" tall at this point and with no sign of dampoff. I am keeping the seedlings moist at all times. Do you suggest I ignore the possibility of dampoff? Or do something, if so, what's a simple approach such as a 5% clorox solution?

[jbergeson]

Whoa, 5% bleach, well, I guess I don't really know but intuitively it seems like that would kill them.

Let the soil get slightly dry between waterings. As dry as possible without risk of the plants wilting.

[jbergeson]

Oso Easy Pleasy.

What the heck? David's got another rose coming out? I can't keep up! It looks nice, like maybe a hardier alternative to Little Mischief.

[jbergeson]

Rob,

Smoothie x Ann Endt. Interesting. Here's hoping for a fragrant hardy thornless bright purple everblooming rose about 2 feet tall!

[philip_la]

Geesh, I wish there were a "like" button! That *is* an interesting cross. I didn't catch that as one you had coming up, Rob.
Oso (happy?) Smoothie is a rose that appealed to me for potential purple offspring, but it purportedly doesn't like heat. (Ann ain't too keen on my climate either.) I'm not sure if OHS is still available -- I think David said it was discontinued.
Yes. With 1/4 setigera and Ann Endt, I would expect some very good hardiness, and hopefully some interesting coloring.

[Rob Byrnes]

Rob,

Smoothie x Ann Endt. Interesting. Here's hoping for a fragrant hardy thornless bright purple everblooming rose about 2 feet tall!

That’s what I’m hoping for Joe!

[Rob Byrnes]

Philip,

OHS does well in my mid-Atlantic summer heat and humidity. I too wanted it for it’s purple potential and I am hoping for hardiness as well. Ann Endt should contribute additional disease resistance.

[mnemko]

Whoa, 5% bleach, well, I guess I don't really know but intuitively it seems like that would kill them.

Let the soil get slightly dry between waterings. As dry as possible without risk of the plants wilting.

Oh, Clorox is already diluted to 5%. I meant diluting THAT: 1 part Clorox to 19 parts water, but I continue to not have any dampoff despite nonstop rain for 2 weeks, so I'll probably just sit tight and watch. But I do like your suggestion of waiting to water til that very hint of pre-wilt.

[Rob Byrnes]

A few new germinations that are of interest to me:

Morning Magic x (Morden Blush x Hazeldean) I was looking for winter hardiness and disease resistance with this cross. The pollen was given to me so I don't know anything about the pollen parent. I'm going to guess that it doesn't repeat bloom and it would be nice if I get repeat bloom.

(Gentle Annie x (Rosa glauca x Rosa pendulina)) x (Outta the Blue x 11Z29) The seed parent is Robert Rippetoe's GEAXGLPE and the pollen parent is from Joe Bergeson. 11Z29 = Prairie Joy × Knock Out

Lichterloh x (R. carolina x R. gallica). The pollen parent comes from Tom Silvers. This F1 is for a longer term project project for hardiness and disease resistance. I'm not expecting repeat bloom from this generation.